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The naked touching discussed below was removed from the ceremony. Note: The Actual Ordinance words only for washing and anointing is found here on this thread. Subject: I want to hear from people who are "touched", if any! Temple Initiation Date: Jan 20 Author: Quinlansolo However spooky and uncomfortable that process was there was not touching. In fact I called my ex wife, who also is inactive, she did not remember intrusion of that sort. I agree the whole process is whacko, uncomfortable and so invasive that you want to block it from your mind forever.
My temple history recap and memories of Washing and Anointing Re:My Q. I went to the temple for the first time in August of I had been a member just over a year.
That was the ceremony up to You can find it on line. After a year, I refused to go again for at least that long I felt extremely pressured by the BYU married ward we were in to go to another temple. So, I did.
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The last time I attended was in the middle 90's, after the changes. As a long time musician and dramatist, I easily memorized the whole ceremony all of them word for word. At the time, it presented to my view as an old fashioned play done in costumes and the rituals were not to be taken literally.
I am personally acquainted with dozens of Mormons that attended the temple from the early 's on.
I have met many "general authorities" over the years, especially when we lived in Utah during the 's. We lived in Utah in the 's where the temple garments were bought "over the counter" at Penny's. I usually went to the one in Provo for the official underwear.
Tis is part of a prior post on the subject. Memories of washing and anointing rituals.
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The washing and anointing rituals are only required the first time you go to the temple now as these ordinances are done in blocks by people who do only those kinds of sessions.
If you go through as proxy for any dead relative, you must do the washing and anointing along with it. Years ago, we did the washing and anointing and the endowment session for the same name all in one evening.
Sometimes doing two sessions doing it all for two deceased people. I can still see the rows of tiny lockers where we completely undressed and donned the sheet tunic, carrying our long temple garments one piece underwear like a "union suit" into the little cubical where the old lady awaited me. You enter a small stall, and sit on a cold marble type slab.
The female temple worker doing the washing and anointing stands behind and to the side of you and starts with the top of the head, the forehead, the eyes, nose, mouth, breast, bowels, legs.
She has a little spigot she gets water from that drips slowly. The oil is done in the same fashion. Nothing untoward, of a sexual nature is done, at least not in my experience but it is ethically and culturally out of order. How anyone can equate that to something spiritual amazes me.
I can still see, hear and feel and smell those old women. They were a little like your grandma; dressed in a white uniform, false teeth clacking, chewing a breath mint. I could feel their breath and smell the aroma of the mints as she whispered in my ear, reaching under the sheet with those warm, sweaty, damp hands sliding over here and over there, anointing me first with dabs of water from head to toe, then going the same thing with oil.
I can still hear the water trickling from the tiny spigot that she put her hands into to begin the anointing. I can still hear the sing-song monotone of her memorized washing and anointing dialogue. Sometimes, I had to stifle a giggle as the old woman inadvertently tickled me and I squirmed.
I tried to sit very still so she would not slide her wet, warm oily hand anywhere it ought not to be as her face was averted outside the sheet and she could not see where she had her hands.
Sometimes she slid her hands within inches of my breasts and pubic hair as she slid her hands around in her predetermined and well practiced path.
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I always hated that part and would shudder when she slide those warm, oily hands down my legs onto my feet.
There are promises given, with each part of the body that is washed-dabbed with water and anointed-dabbed with oil. The promises have to do with promising the female that she will be a priestess to her husband etc.
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These have been posted on this forum and they are easily found on line. When she finished, she would help me step into my new temple underwear, in past years it was a pair of old fashioned temple garments that covered the body from ankle to wrist to neckwhile still wearing that sheet tunic, adjusting it properly.
I always had the feeling she wanted to kiss me, she was so pleased. I often got a a little hug. I still shudder. Then she sent me out into the dressing area with our lockers where dozens of other women were coming and going. Here, we got completely dressed and attached the keys to the locker on our dress someplace where they giggled quietly, sometimes the only sound head while walking down the halls in our white slippers on well carpeted floors.
How does the Mormon church get old Mormon men and women to believe it is a sacred ordinance to touch your bare skin under a sheet with little dabs of water then oil while you sit in a small cubicle? The part that is so unethical and disrespectful is that no one tells the new initiate anything ahead of time. You go and do what dozens of other people are doing. It is very difficult to leave once you get in the temple. It can be done, I know, I have watched people do it, but it is rare. This is group pressure at it's most intense.
Under no other circumstances would anyone even dare to consider that you would strip naked, put on a shield sheeting made in the style of a tunic or poncho as it is called, carry your underwear and go into a small room alone with someone you do not know while they whisper memorized dialogue, usually with a breath mint in their mouth then help dress you in the official temple garment to be worn day and night for the rest of your life.
Originally, this was a complete washing and anointing, similar to some other religious customs. What we will do in the name of pleasing the Mormon God! Subject: was repeatedly touched.
Date: Jan 20 Author: kc Not only was I touched during my initiatory I went round and round in the little booths until I thought I would faint, being touched over and over until the oil was dripping down my body in certain spots.
Yes, I had a sheet over me, open on the sides, and yes, a little old lady reached under the sheet with her COLD bony hands and touched my naked body. When she would bend and touch my legs her face was almost in my lap.
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When she anointe my breasts she touched above the breast area but when she anointed my vitals and bowels she often inadvertently brushed my breasts or nipples.
So yeah. Naked touching. It's a good thing the penis wasn't standing erect! Otherwise guess what he would have been annointing and touching! I was touched briefly, discretely, on several parts of my body, including at about 9 o'clock from Mr. Winkie, about 3 inches away. Subject: I was wearing a drafty poncho, an old lady approached me Date: Jan 20 Author: Saucie with oil dripping from her fingers, she mumbled "health to the navel, blah blah blah, marrow to the bones, or something like that, she was saying her lines like a robot, she touched me as she talked, her fingers were cold and I got the intense feeling that she was so very very bored.
I was scared of where else she would touch me, I had no idea that I would be touched by anyone, especially by an old woman with arthritic fingers and a no nonsense approach. Subject: This web site has a very good account of the Washing and Anointing Ordinance.
Subject: It is my observation that those who claim no memory of "touching" in the temple do so Date: Jan 20 Author: SusieQ 1 because of the nature of the event.
The pressure, especially when getting married; the new, unusual, strange experiences in the temple that impose complete compliance can leave most of that wedding day a complete blank in a bride or groom's mind. The second reason for claiming no "touching" in the temple is denial and protection of their claimed sacred ordinances because they are so pressured to not divulge it those death threats were pretty powerful they either cannot even admit their experience to themselves, let alone anyone else.
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I have walked out of the temple with a temple patron in our party and remarked about noticing changes, and they claim claim there were no changes. Mind boggling. Maybe it is a hypnotic experience for some patrons. They are in a daze, they do not recall what they did and are in some kind of imposed state of denial. Whatever it is, denial of being touched on their naked skin by temple ordinance workers strangers in the temple by TBM's is quite common.
Or else, they blatantly lie on purpose! Why is it so common for them to deny it? Indeed, it is truly mind boggling.
I have yet to grasp how they can and do deny it. So, if they can deny point blank blatantly provable facts, then ofcourse they can dismiss any logic we throw at them regarding church history or the con-man Joseph Smith.
I have no idea what is wrong with people. If I even brought up something that was said or done in the temple, people became quiet, told me they could not discuss it, and would not even voice an opinion about something that had nothing to do with the ordinances. I always thought it was very strange behavior. Maybe they are protecting their "worthiness" out of fear of loosing a place in the CK!
Subject: touched in Provo I was touched by some grey haired old guy mumbling about loins and sinews. I never did intititory again, and the were always trying to get us to sign up in EQ. Subject: We were all touched. Absolutely I was touched. That's the way it was done up until this week. I went back for endowments for the dead but I never wanted to do another initiatory after my own.
It was extremely embarrassing and uncomfortable.
Subject: Swizerland Date: Jan 20 Author: squeezebox I was washed and anointed as described by most people here. When it was time to have my "loins" washed the old guy touched me on the base of my back. I was a bit nervous because I had read the endowment already but did not know exactly where I'd be touched.
I was very relieved that I didn't get groped. It was done very discretely but it was still quite uncomfortable. Sneaky Companions. March 24th, Views: March 17th, Views: March 10th, Views: March 3rd, Views: February 26th, Views: Sexual Initiations Of Naive Missionaries. February 18th, Views: February 11th, Views: February 4th, Views: January 31st, Views: January 24th, Views: January 17th, Views: January 10th, Views: Boys Becoming Men.
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